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anned1983
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:50:08 AM Quote
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Hi there am new to this forum and was hoping for some help and advice.

It all started 2 years ago, with pains in my chest and down my sides, I went to my local GP and was sent home with some anti inflammatory drugs, after a week of not getting any better I went back to my doctors who eventually after a few more visits he referred me to a rheumatologist who I have been seeing since about July/August 2009. I have had a number of blood tests, x-rays, bone density scan and many more tests done, however nothing was found apart from a raised ESR which I was informed this was around the 80 mark and told it was due to RA and that my bone density was a little low.

Since then I have been prescribed a number of different drugs including Diclofenac, Codeine, Tramadol and had a Corticosteroid injection and a few others, but none have been successful and also some I had a bad reaction to and was very ill. Currently I have been prescribed Hydroxychloroquine, Diclofenac and Paracetamol which I have been on for nearly a year now but again with no success.

Over the last 6 months the pain has also started in my knee joints and I am starting to get very stiff each morning. I have also noticed I have inflamed lumps in my chest and sides which can be very tendered to touch, I have been back to my local GP about the lumps and was told it was not serious and it should go, but there was nothing they could do about this. Now over the last month or so I have noticed it more in my hands too.

I have informed my rheumatologist of the lumps and the fact my knees hurt now, and all I seem to be told is that it is nothing life threatening and to keep taking the tablets.

When the pain in my knees started I decided to go and see an osteopath, who has been trying to help with my diet and advised my to try some supplements, which I have been taken for a few months now and my diet has improve alot.

I am only 28 years old, some times the pain is so bad I can’t do anything but lie down and it is starting to affect my family life. I have tried all the drugs I have been given, I have tried hot tubs, cold showers, ice packs for my knees, I have also tried different supplements I have read about on RA websites but no thing seems to be helping. I have read so many different website on RA that I don’t know where to start looking for more help, I was hoping you might be able to give me some advice of what to do next or who I could contact to for some help. I am not happy with the advice I have received so far from my rheumatologist for taking all the different tablets I am on now, am sure that it can’t be healthy to take too many ibuprofen and Paracetamol.

I was hoping someone may recommend a different rheumatologist to go and see or just any advice to help me really.


Thank you for taking the time and reading my essay, I only pop on to write a little message Smile
Michelle9
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:57:07 AM Quote
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Hi Anne,

Sorry to hear the problems you are having with your Consultant. Have you asked to change. Im sure that you change if your not happy and need a second opinion.

I like you was diagnosed after suffering for quiet a while, im 34 diagnosed at 33. Im currently taking MTX, Predisonlone, Co Codomal, Folic Acid, Diclofenac. Its something hard work just keeping up with the tablets, and then when your still getting pain it does not help.

Im hoping to change my drugs as i dont think mtx is for me, all my hair is falling out, i used to have lovely long thick hair, and constantly in hot all the time, sweating, and the pain is still there sometimes like you hard to cope with.

Im sure you can change your hospital or consultant if your not happy,

Hope you get sorted keep us updated.

Love Michelle.x.
jeanb
#3 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:10:46 PM Quote
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Hi Anne

Welcome to the forum - but I'm sorry you have RA and are having such problems at the moment.

Having spent 6 years on paracetamol and ibruprofen, whilst my RA became more and more out of control, I finally researched the "best" rheumatologist within a 30 mile radius and went to see him privately. He then transferred me onto his NHS list and is just amazing.

As you are only 28, I feel it is vital that you obtain proper treament immediately. I KNOW we shouldn't have to go down the private route, but this is YOUR life and if you can afford the £150 or so the first appointment will cost, it will be worth EVERY penny.
You will also have an appointment (hopefully) within 2 weeks.

I appreciate that many Rheumatologists are cautious in their approach - after all, who wants to be pumped full of two or three different toxic drugs until it is perfectly clear that RA is the cause of the problems?

Which part of the country do you live in, Anne? Maybe someone on the forum can recommend or at least suggest an alternative Rheumatology Department.

Love
Jeanxxxx



ceri44
#4 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:34:42 PM Quote
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Hi Anne
Welcome to the forum but so sorry that your suffering so much.. You definitely need better medical help, ask for a second opinion and is it possible to see a different GP? When is your next rheumotology appt? No wonder your feeling fed up with it all unfortunately RA and medication go hand in hand but your right to expect some improvement. Hope you get some answers keep posting and take care luv ceri xx
anned1983
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:44:31 PM Quote
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Thank you both for replying, its nice to have some other people understand for once and be able to have a good old moan about the pain, as I don’t think my family really understands sometimes.

I have actually been to see the consultant privately a few times and he wasn’t much better then. I asked my dad to come with me and at every appointment the consultant talks to dad about me like I’m not there, asking him if he wants to try the tablets or asking him about the pain. And all he ever says is ‘oh well its nothing life threaten’. I’d like to have him feel the pain for just one day then see what he thinks about it Laugh

However I have just had a look at another hospital near to me and might try them now. Although I now have to go back to my GP to be referred and trying to get in to see him is hard work.

It is getting to the point now where it is all a little bit too much, it feels like no one wants to help you at all, or actually believes you. If I ever tell people I have RA they seem to think I can’t have it as am ‘too young’, which is why I try not to let too many people know. Although to be honest before I was diagnosed I though Arthritis was only for older people.

I live on the Wirral, in the Northwest, so if anyone knows of any good consultants that who be great.


And I seem to of nearly written another essay BigGrin x
anned1983
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:50:32 PM Quote
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Thanks Ceri.

Next appointment is meant to be beginning of April but not heard from the hopsital as yet. But I have been looking for some private hospital now so think I may speak to bank of dear old Daddy for a loan for some appointments privatley might get some where if i offer to pay them Smile

I would just like to say thank you for all replying today, it has actually cheered me up to have a moan to some people ThumpUp And thanks for all the advice so far.

x
dorat
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:39:36 PM Quote
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Hi Anne,

Welcome to the forum! You can come on here and moan any time you like, we all know what you are going through!

Your consultant doesn't sound at all helpful, you will be better off asking for a change.

Looking forward to getting to know you.

Love, Doreen xx

suzanne_p
#8 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:51:13 PM Quote
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hi Anne,

welcome to the Forum.

sorry to hear you've been struck down with this dreaded RA at such a young age.

you definately need a review of your Meds.

i have been on Methotrexate and added Hydroxy ( which you are on ) and have failed on them ... i was diagnosed in June last year.

i am now in the process of going onto Humira an Anti-TNF.

have you spoken to the NRAS Helpline they may well have a list of Consultants in your area. i know it's a lottery as to where we live and the treatment we get i learned this at an NRAS meeting i went to.

also your GP will have a list as well.

hope you can get help and quickly to get damage limitatikon of your joints,

do let us know how you get on.

Suzanne x
shenac-K
#9 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:56:28 PM Quote
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Hi Anne
Welcome to the forum, I'm so sorry you are having such a bad time, poor you. I am also a newbie here on the forum and have found it very helpful. Everyone understands here and you will get lot's of good advice.I'm Shenac 53 years old,married with 3 grown up children and 5 grandchildren. I really do think you MUST see another consultant I know patients have done this before. Have you tried calling the helpline here on nras? It really helps to talk with someone who understands. My family are great now but initially I think they all thought that I would be fine again in a few weeks. Things are pretty bad right now, but I have a good GP and I do like my consultant and I hope to have an appointment to see him again soon as my pain level has gone sky high. Hope things get better for you soon, keep positive things will get better, and the people on the forum are always so helpful. take care.x Shenac Smile

Anne-P
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:02:11 PM Quote
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Hi Anne

Welcome. I've found this forum a life saver. It is a nice feeling knowing that you are not the only one struggling. I've had lots of helpful comments and you can ask anything you like.

I think getting another consultant is your best bet. I am lucky, I have a good one, although it is often quite slow getting appointment. The quickest route seems to be phoning consultant's secretary!

I tried MTX which didn't suit me, then Leflunimide and Sulfasazaline - but now I'm on one of the new anti-tnfs, humira - which is much better (well so far anyway).

I'm 49 with 3 children -well, young people! It also took them a while to adapt, but now I've been able to explain where I need the help, they are all very willing and my husband has been brilliant - well - not quite enough to do the ironing!

It looks like my middle one has RA, she's 21 years old - and I am going with her to see her consultant in Oxford in 3 weeks time. She's only got declofenac at the moment, but certainly needs something else, so it'll be interesting to find out what they are like there. My centre is Portsmouth.

I hope you get some success with finding the right person to see.

Anne x
Rose-B
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:25:56 PM Quote
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Dear Anne.

A big welcome from me. Sorry to hear though you have this dreaded RA at such
a young age.

I do think that you have every right to have a moan. Your Specialist does not
appear to be on the 'ball'. This type of thing does happen quite often I beleive.
However that does not help you at all does it. I would ring up RA helpline and
get names etc of local Specialists.

Do you have a RA specialist Nurse ? If so I think you should also contact her
to see if she can enlighten you more advice. You have to get checked out sooner
rather than later. Diclofenic is not a paticular strong anti inflam so they ought
to be trying you out on something else , plus a DMARD to stop this wretched RA

I am Rose from Somerset aged 56 diag late 2008 , been on mtx, hydro, suph
and leflun all of which failed or caused problems to my liver. Waiting to go on
TNF / Humira.

Keep posting ( it does help )

Rose
anned1983
#12 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 2:08:04 PM Quote
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Thank you all for your posts, I think it was the kick up the bum I needed to do something about my consultant problem.

I have emailed the helpline for some names, and will contact my GP, next week, when I have gathered some more info.

I feel so much more positive after all your advice, thanks again.

Rose B – I don’t think I have a RA Nurse, put it this way if I have I have never met her/her. But I will somehow find out.

Will keep you all posted, finger crossed I may start to get some where now.

Thanks again

Anne
x

PS. Anne-P Hope it all goes well with your daughter and you get some better answers than I have Smile
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#13 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 3:33:07 PM Quote
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Michelle9 wrote:


Im hoping to change my drugs as i dont think mtx is for me, all my hair is falling out, i used to have lovely long thick hair, and constantly in hot all the time, sweating, and the pain is still there sometimes like you hard to cope with.


Hi Michelle!

The sweating is all about that prednisolone- not the MTX .... The MTX might well be nobbling your hair but the pred might also and the RA itself can do the hair loss. There are practical things to try, 1) get a smart hair cut with a diagonal parting, choppy layers and lighter dye on the top and darker dye underneath. 2) Get sea kelp tablets from the health food shop- this is what cancer patients are advised to take so their hair grows back stronger and thicker. 3) Get "Thicker, fuller hair" shampoo and conditioner http://www.amazon.co.uk/...vitalize/dp/B000TGA0H8.

Jenni x
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#14 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 3:51:20 PM Quote
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Hi Anne

Welcome to NRAS! there is lots of lovely advice around- well meaning etc. People always say to me "oooh you are YOUNG to have that!" when I say about the RA. Now I tell them I have an immune system disease. Leave off the "arthritis" word altogther!
It just stops the endless tales of great aunt flo who had it in her toe once...

urgh!

I am now 35- got RA when I was about 20. Long time now! There are dozens of RA drugs to try and it reads to me that the RA isnt controlled for you. I have terrible pain in the ribs sometimes- it is called pleuritic pain and other times costocondritis. Really its all the same thing. Immune system gone wrong and swelling bits up!

If you can still get into a bath try that, if not a shower can help. Get some "phorpain" gel prescribed by the GP. you can apply it regularly.

I think you need an URGENT drug review and for that you are perfectly entitled to a second or even third opinion. Im in Hampshire but have known one lady from Liverpool got referred to the National hopital for rheumatic diseases in Bath. She got all dx and treatment sorted out in a couple of wks stay. I used to travel to bath for my treatment for a time.

you have to try and fail a couple of DMARDs before you get to take anti TNFs normally- there are lots to choose from and I think its time to have another look at you, your needs and what suits you best. Hydroxy is one of the "milder" treatments available.

Its not like taking an anti biotic and they know that it will go with a dose of this.... its about trying to control that disease and hitting it hard to start with.

In the meantime, ask for a stab of depomedrome. Its a big whack of steroid and it should calm things down for a short while. Its no long term answer but its a short term calming measure.

Jenni xx

PS This is NOT the end of your life- honest! I have really crappy severe RA, but have a fabby life. There is a get together in warwick at the start of May- I am going with the hubby and kids- would love to meet up there if youre ableSmile
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 3:54:32 PM Quote
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Hi Anne.

Your story sounds like mine. I had a slightly positive result a few years ago then it seemed to fizzle out. It sounds to me like yours isn't fizzling! Like everyone says demand a second opinon, keep plugging and bugging them You know how you feel. It's good you feel more positive and I hope you get somewhere. Keep us posted indeed Good luck and take care - Julie x
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Hi Anne,

welcome to the forum.

I've offered a couple of suggestions of local consultants on your other post.

Diane x
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 6:17:57 PM Quote
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...and don't forget the amazing rheummy department at Bolton who have been held up as a place of good practice in the House of Commons. I see Dr Vasireddy there and he is absolutely the best!
dorat
#18 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 6:42:48 PM Quote
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Hi Anne,

Welcome to the forum ,but sorry you have RA at such a young age!
I am 61 and have had RA for 10 years, now taking mtx and humira.
Looking forward to getting to know you.

Love, Doreen xx

Ooops! I've just realised I've already welcomed you!Blushing
I blame the drugs!LOL
LynW
#19 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2011 6:51:11 PM Quote
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Hi Anne,

Welcome to the forum. A great place to be for support and information; lots of folk, lots of knowledge and a wealth of tried and tested experiences! Glad you have found us and NRAS!

I'm Lyn, married to Mike, we have four children, Abby 23, Ian and Jake 17, and Louis 16. All four in various stages of education! We live in Thornton Cleveleys in north west Lancashire. I was diagnosed with sero-negative RA nearly 23 years ago and have since run the gamut of medication and had lots of surgical procedures along the way. Currently on Enbrel, Leflunomide, Prednisolone and Naproxen, and a wagon load of pain killers! Struggling at the moment after knee surgery last summer, a major flare in Cyprus of all places, two lots of knee aspirations and joint injections in 7 weeks, a depo injection that didn't work and basically RA that has not been controlled for the last 12 months! But heyho...

I think the thing with rheumatologists is that they mostly have good training in what they do but for several reasons their knowledge and expertise doesn't make it across the desk they sit at when they see us. Its pretty typical from what I've seen of the world of medicine ... if you have the ability to get the grades, do the stuff at medical stuff you're in! Great work if you can get it :) Their ability to communicate with their patients is barely considered in the scheme of things. If you don't feel you and your rheumatologist have a future, and it doesn't sound like you have, the time has come to move on. You shouldn't need to go privately you are entitled to help on the NHS. Be careful you don't jump out of the frying pan into the fire!

Arthritis is a misnomer as far as RA is concerned and I wish to goodness someone would do something about changing its name! Not only does it send out the wrong impression but it doesn't adequately describe the disease either. As Jenni says it is an auto-immune disorder and as such is basically an overactive immune system. In RA the immune system is attacking the synovial membrane between the joints. However it can affect any joint or any organ.

It is important that uncontrolled RA is brought under control quickly to avoid irreversible joint damage. I think for now I would go back for an urgent appointment with the current rheumatologist (takes time for a new referral) and go armed with information. Sometimes when they realise you know more about it than average Jo they do actually take more time with you. Explain that you need a change in medication, better pain relief and something that will work on the RA itself such as methotrexate.

Hope you get something sorted very soon.

Look forward to getting to know you Smile

Lyn x
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#20 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:40:58 PM Quote
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I agree Lyn that no-one should have to go privately, but, when you can't cope any more, sometimes it's the very best thing. It certainly was for me xx
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